Comments on: Are You Longing for More in Church? https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/ Strengthen The Soul Of Your Leadership Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:00:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Michael King https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-737381 Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:00:54 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-737381 I am interested in the new book you mentioned in one of your comments below for a few reasons, but one that feels like a tension is your language that is so pessimistic about “the church.” I fear accidentally encouraging the abandonment of “regularly gathering together” as Paul encourages, and which the early church ordered in such a way to promote the practices you so insightfully place in front of us in a fresh way (silence, confession, intercession, Sabbath, etc.).

Full disclosure: I am a young Anglican Rector, have been deeply shaped by your (and Pete Scazzero’s) writings. I am currently leading our Vestry and staff through “Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership,” my own copy tattered from years of returning to it. ie. I’m bought in, and greatly appreciate you and your clear calling.

But are you accidentally (or not) encouraging a gleeful abandoning of “church” (broad term, I know)? I see this possibly reflected in some of the comments below, which makes me so sad. Church is (meant to be) the place where the discomfort of “iron sharpening iron” happens, though I can also admit I get most angry as I see the church (whatever denomination or non-) abuse the high calling, turning “holy discomfort” into abuse. Still, I believe truly healthy church can heal church hurt quite powerfully…perhaps most powerfully.

I’m eager to hear about that book you’re working on — I am hopeful that amidst your challenges, you will re-cast a vision for church that does not untether us from the ancient (and newly being re-discovered) practices it promotes as we follow Jesus on a journey from our brokenness into healing and wholeness.

Respectfully in Christ,
Michael+

PS. I remember you referring to someone’s statement “In Christ, For the World” (and not in the world for Christ)…this has stuck with me so much that I’d love it to be a regular phrase for us, but I cannot find who to attribute it to, nor where you mentioned it! Little help?

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By: Ruth Barton https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732604 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:06:11 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732604 In reply to Mark A. Cheatwood.

What a beautiful and tender story of encounter (with God) and transformation. Thank you for sharing something so precious with us.

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By: Mark A. Cheatwood https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732603 Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:08:25 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732603 In reply to Ruth Barton.

I have wondered for a very long time if the institutionalized church (our current expression of church) is the seed that is going to need to fall into the ground and die in order for it to bring forth new fruit.”

I knew I wasn’t the only one. Oh, God, help.

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By: Mark A. Cheatwood https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732602 Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:06:49 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732602 Oh, how painfully the Church often fails its own. My heart was quite broken a little less than a year ago, in a church I’d been quite faithful to for 15 years, despite the harshness of its key leader. There’s so much story in that, so much of it redemptive, but I shall jump to this end of that story…

Several months ago, I sensed, in the middle of a service, that the Lord said to me, “You’re done here.” I hadn’t even been considering that possibility, but there it was. I found myself relieved and ready to walk out… but my love for the man preaching that day told me to wait until the end.

Jump ahead a few months of healing, I was hosting a spiritual retreat for ten friends (a few from my then “former” church), when the Lord all too clearly called me back to that place of spiritual non-transformation. At this point in my journey, I know Him so I stepped right back inside those doors the very next day, though with anger… I simply knew that He had called, and that He would help me through this. Friends greeted me, welcomed me back, and, for those who would understand, I told them I wasn’t happy to be back.

In the next few months, I skipped communion services altogether. I did not feel at home at all. I didn’t “belong here.” Then, I took that feeling to my spiritual director. She simply asked, “What would it take for you to feel at home?”

What a question. As we sat there in the silence, a couple very real things came to me… but I also realized / believed that church wouldn’t get to those places in forty years. So.. I sat with that question for a couple days.

Then, the Lord gave me this utterly simple thing that makes all the sense in the world to me–“You’ll have to carry Home with you.” I knew He had called me back to this place, these people… so there really was only one solution. Like Love and Forgiveness, somebody had to act first. He was calling ME to be the one who helps others to feel at home.

That was a breakthrough for me. In the weeks since, not only have I come to participate in the communion again, but I have had a number of deeper-than-Sunday-morning conversations right there in the foyer, or in the gymnasium/sanctuary before or after the services. As I walk deeper into this, it is so easy for me to remember that, when Jesus is with me, I am always Home.

This church has severely disappointed me, broken my heart… but my love for her is returning with a depth I didn’t possess before… and I’m at peace.

Blessings,

M

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By: Ruth Barton https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732577 Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:34:28 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732577 In reply to Amber Lea Gray.

These are the questions we much wrestle with honestly in these days. Of course the institutionalized church and the body of Christ can be two very different things. I have wondered for a very long time if the institutionalized church (our current expression of church) is the seed that is going to need to fall into the ground and die in order for it to bring forth new fruit. The church of Christ will prevail but probably not in its current form. Are we humble enough to let the husk fall away so something new can emerge that actually does support and catalyze real transformation and emotional maturity?

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By: Amber Lea Gray https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732573 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:11:48 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732573 Young pastor here. Ruth, these words resonate in my soul. Many of my young clergy colleagues have left ministry (or the institutional church) for these very reasons.

I’m wondering so many things.

Is the transformation of an institution possible? Can the work of decolonization cultivate space for silence, rest, and authentic community? Am I patient enough for the slow work of God? Do I believe in what I say I believe — resurrection, new life, mystery?

I’m also thinking about how hard spiritual transformation is and the emotional maturity it requires. Many people are not ready. How can the church till the soil and nurture the seeds? Are we willing to be faithful and wait for God’s harvest?

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By: Ruth Barton https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732465 Tue, 08 Aug 2023 14:55:39 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732465 In reply to Brenda Stewart.

I could not agree more! I should have been clearer in saying that I had to go beyond my local church and even beyond the tradition I had been raised in to find what I needed next. There are several places in my writing and teaching where I am clear that when I talk about the Church, I am speaking in very broad terms about “the body of Christ on the earth now” and that whenever and wherever Christians gather, we are the body of Christ. Thank you for this important and clarifying comment!

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By: Brenda Stewart https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732392 Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:15:50 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732392 Thank you for this article. My husband and I have been in ministry for 37 years. I think it would have been good to define what you mean by the words “the church.” I am wondering if we, “the church” are expecting our worship services and programs to do something they are unable to do, maybe even in New Testament Days, when they gathered to worship and read the Word. The “church” gathered in so many other places with so many different people. When you say you had to go to another place to get your needs met, was that not also the church? The body of christ? Your ministry you started is a group of believers, which is also the church. Our current culture has really separated the church to the point where we are not doing life together outside the building. We gain our wisdom about life from the internet, the podcast, rather than from the older believer in our neighborhood, who has known us since we were born.
The “not forsaking the gathering together” that scripture talks about must become more creative and meaningful than showing up for an hour on Sunday morning and not having true interaction with God and other believers throughout the other parts of our lives.

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By: Jeffery James https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732111 Fri, 17 Mar 2023 18:02:29 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732111 In reply to Ian Acheson.

Thanks. We periodically offer a Becoming a Transforming Church retreat for leaders and their leadership groups. You can visit the page and add your name to be notified when the next retreat date is announced.

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By: Ruth Barton https://transformingcenter.org/2019/05/are-you-longing-for-more-in-church/#comment-732107 Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:43:52 +0000 https://transformingcenter.org/?p=11051#comment-732107 In reply to Bill Smart.

Thank you for this honest and resonant reflection. I hope you can join a Transforming Community some day where you would both find and be a fellow pilgrim with others on a similar journey.

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